When Did Goku Learn Ssj2

I was wondering nearly this after watching DBZ "season 5" and "season 6" back to back. Goku initially turned Super Saiyan out of rage and to quote (or at least paraphrase) Goku while he was training Gohan, "in response to a need".

I can sympathise how and why Vegeta managed to turn SSJ2. He felt rage that Goku died the manner he did and felt a demand to go on up with Gohan, which feeds into making the anger fifty-fifty worse since it's Goku'southward son he's keeping up with.

But what blazon of scenario would cause Goku to transform in the afterworld?

Postal service by **Kaboom** » Saturday Sep 20, 2008 12:35 am

From the looks of it, the rage or likewise burst of emotion just seems necessary for breaking through to the commencement level. With SSj2, Gohan needed a little "push" in society to let loose and attain it, but he was already capable. Goku and Vegeta both reached it through intense training on Earth, and Goku, who was already ahead of Vegeta, managed to go even further and achieve SSj3, also.

Mail by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:36 am

The same style Gohan turned SSJ1 in the Fourth dimension Chamber - get strong plenty, and then get angry.

To add fan-musing, maybe he had to get angry while a Super Saiyan; like, practise the Super Saiyan transformation while already transformed.

Post by **Helm-Sora** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:36 am

Meh, I just think he got it through training, I mean, Goten and Trunks didn't exactly have a major demand throughout their lives, unless wanting something like a toy pulled information technology off, but that would be down right nutty no?

Bah, the whole SSJ idea just went out of loop after "SSJ2 Gohan" which I thought was supposed to be just "SSJ Gohan Ability Unleashed/Rage manner/etc" or something.

Mail service by **goodguy777** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:42 am

Captain-Sora wrote:Meh, I just think he got information technology through grooming, I mean, Goten and Trunks didn't exactly take a major need throughout their lives, unless wanting something like a toy pulled it off, but that would be down right nutty no?

Maybe, Goten and Trunks were some kind of Saiyan mutation. It was also stated that Human-Saiyan breeding produces a "stronger race".

Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:45 am

goodguy777 wrote:
Maybe, Goten and Trunks were some kind of Saiyan mutation. It was as well stated that Homo-Saiyan convenance produces a "stronger race".

That concept got thrown out afterward the saiyan saga.

Mail by **Kaboom** » Saturday Sep 20, 2008 12:47 am

Helm-Sora wrote:Bah, the whole SSJ idea just went out of loop after "SSJ2 Gohan" which I thought was supposed to exist but "SSJ Gohan Power Unleashed/Rage style/etc" or something.

It strikes me like that, as well. I've come to view the three golden-haired SSj stages as only escalating levels of the same thing. Like skyscrapers. Super Saiyan is one building, with multiple floors, Ozaru is some other building, and and then Super Saiyan 4 is the skybridge connecting the top floors of them both.

The transformation requiring a outburst of rage is like having to break a window to go into the SSj building. From and then, you can just have the elevator up. A tail is like having a keycard to proceeds access to the Ozaru building.

Hooray for analogies!

Mail by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:51 am

Helm-Sora wrote:Meh, I just retrieve he got information technology through training, I mean, Goten and Trunks didn't exactly have a major need throughout their lives, unless wanting something like a toy pulled it off, but that would be downwards correct nutty no?

Our top scientists and researchers have discovered the verbal moment where Goten went Super Saiyan for the first time.

Astounding.

Postal service by **Xyex** » Sabbatum Sep 20, 2008 12:54 am

Yeah, I remember SSJ2 and SSJ3 are triggered only by level of power. Once a person reaches a certain level of strength in their SSJ grade and then tries to button beyond that level they instead transform to the next. In Gohan'due south example information technology was just his normal anger power burst that pushed him beyond the "SSJ2 Threshold" to cause the transformation. With Goku and Vegeta it was likely only regular old grooming.

I mean, look at Gotenks. Goten and Trunks could but go to the first level about, what, a week in the RoSaT and Gotenks is at level 3? Gotenks would have easily had the needed level of strength to trigger the forms, he was stronger than Goku afterwards all, so in light of his SSJ3 abilities it makes sense.

Mail service by **Helm-Sora** » Sat Sep xx, 2008 12:55 am

Rocketman wrote:

Captain-Sora wrote:Meh, I simply recollect he got it through training, I mean, Goten and Trunks didn't exactly have a major demand throughout their lives, unless wanting something like a toy pulled it off, but that would be down correct nutty no?

Our top scientists and researchers have discovered the exact moment where Goten went Super Saiyan for the first time.

Phenomenal.

A....A-At least that'southward a change from DBZ constipation jokes.

Postal service by **goodguy777** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:59 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:

goodguy777 wrote:
Maybe, Goten and Trunks were some kind of Saiyan mutation. It was likewise stated that Homo-Saiyan convenance produces a "stronger race".

That concept got thrown out subsequently the saiyan saga.

Simply information technology makes sense, Gohan, Goten and Trunks were stronger than a regular Saiyans.

Mail by **SSJ2bardock** » Sabbatum Sep twenty, 2008 1:01 am

goodguy777 wrote:

SSJ2bardock wrote:

goodguy777 wrote:
Maybe, Goten and Trunks were some kind of Saiyan mutation. It was as well stated that Human-Saiyan breeding produces a "stronger race".

That concept got thrown out after the saiyan saga.

Just information technology makes sense, Gohan, Goten and Trunks were stronger than a regular Saiyans.

Goten and Trunks never passed up Goku and Vegeta, 2 "regular saiyans", and Gohan pretty much cheated to get his power boost.

Mail service by **goodguy777** » Saturday Sep 20, 2008 1:07 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:

goodguy777 wrote:

SSJ2bardock wrote: That concept got thrown out afterward the saiyan saga.

Just it makes sense, Gohan, Goten and Trunks were stronger than a regular Saiyans.

Goten and Trunks never passed up Goku and Vegeta, 2 "regular saiyans", and Gohan pretty much cheated to go his power boost.

Because they lacked training and if you lot look at it, babyhood of Vegeta and Goku were weaker than the childhood of Goten, Gohan and Trunks.

Post by **Bussani** » Sat Sep twenty, 2008 1:32 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:

Helm-Sora wrote:Bah, the whole SSJ idea but went out of loop after "SSJ2 Gohan" which I thought was supposed to be just "SSJ Gohan Ability Unleashed/Rage manner/etc" or something.

It strikes me similar that, too. I've come to view the three golden-haired SSj stages as just escalating levels of the same affair. Like skyscrapers. Super Saiyan is one building, with multiple floors, Ozaru is another building, and then Super Saiyan 4 is the skybridge connecting the top floors of them both.

The transformation requiring a burst of rage is like having to break a window to become into the SSj building. From then, you tin can just take the elevator up. A tail is like having a keycard to proceeds access to the Ozaru building.

Hooray for analogies!

This is e'er how I saw it too, although I think there are certain points/levels where the transformation becomes more stable or easier to maintain. SSJ2 is much more efficient than USSJ, for example. Call back of it similar trying to climb that SSJ skyscraper without falling off, then every so oftentimes you reach a flaw that stops you falling and then easily somehow.

Not a nifty illustration at that place...meh.

Mail by **Kaboom** » Sat Sep xx, 2008 11:29 am

Before on in the series, Gohan got MUCH more out of training than Goku ever did at his age. To delve into the nighttime pit of power levels for a moment, Goku was at around 400 at age 20, and Gohan was over 1000 at age 5, just from half a twelvemonth'southward worth of training with Piccolo. So iii years of grooming with Goku and Piccolo, and some other yr-ish with Goku in the RoSaT, and he was the most powerful Super Saiyan around.

Post past **Victator Supreme** » Saturday Sep 20, 2008 eleven:42 am

SSJ2bardock wrote:

goodguy777 wrote:
Maybe, Goten and Trunks were some kind of Saiyan mutation. It was too stated that Human-Saiyan convenance produces a "stronger race".

That concept got thrown out after the saiyan saga.

Except for hereafter Trunks and Goten and Trunks being incredibly powerful. They acheieved power in their childhood that Goku and Begeta never dreamed was possible.

Post by **Miracles** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:37 pm

I always thought Goku attained Super Saiyan 2/three through fighting and preparation in Heaven. Unlike Gohan and Vegeta who needed anger to get above and across.

Post past **Horgus** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 v:05 pm

I think part of the reason Vegeta got less out of training than Goku/Gohan is because Vegeta never wanted to train with anyone else.

When he and Trunks went into RoSaT, they both trained alone.

When Goten and Trunks went in, they trained together and fabricated first-class gains (even if they cheated with Fusion).

Vegeta always trained past himself, and that held him back. I remember the anime tries to imply this at certain areas.

EDIT: Additionally, I recall that the Vegetto fusion also sort of implies what immense potential they would have if Goku and Vegeta were ever to train together.

Post by **Hurting** » Sat Sep twenty, 2008 eight:14 pm

Horgus wrote:I call up part of the reason Vegeta got less out of preparation than Goku/Gohan is because Vegeta never wanted to railroad train with anyone else.

When he and Trunks went into RoSaT, they both trained alone.

When Goten and Trunks went in, they trained together and made excellent gains (even if they cheated with Fusion).

Vegeta ever trained by himself, and that held him back. I think the anime tries to imply this at certain areas.

Very well put.

Postal service past **Dayspring** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 viii:33 pm

It was always my thought that, because of all the "surpass/beyond/in a higher place SSJ" talk, SSJ2 and SSJ3 were merely streamlined forms of USSJ and USSJ2. That is, USSJ was an imperfect form of SSJ2 and USSJ2 an imperfect class of SSJ3.

When Vegeta, Time to come Trunks and Goku trained in the RoSaT, they achieved USSJ levels by stressing themselves out like crazy. I think this stress is merely how they simulate acrimony, which is just one of ii necessary components required to achieve whatsoever given level of SSJ. Information technology also takes a lot of strength/power/energy which they hadn't achieved all the same at that time.

Gohan is an exception, even so. His inner strength was always a product of his anger, so when he became angry during the Cell Games, rather than just produce enough stress to achieve USSJ, he also gained the power he needed to create a successful SSJ2 transformation.